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Author Topic: Kanz al Ummaal; The hadeeth of 25 questions and its attribution to Musnad Ahmed  (Read 2268 times)


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The hadeeth of 25 questioned posed to Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasallam is often quoted from Musnad Ahmed and is normally graded (Saheeh) while citing. See the youtube video : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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The topic was discussed on sunniforum. After the recent shutting of SF I am wary of all these good posts being lost. So I am trying to bring some over here and people can benefit as well inshAllah.

Quote from: Propagating_Haq;341179
aww, as u all scholars will be aware a bedouin once came to the prophet saw and asked around 25 questions e.g i want to be rich? i want to be the most knowledgable? etc i have heard this hadith in MTJ bayan and i have to whole hadith in urdu but im struggling to find the arabic for it, as far as i know th hadith is definately in kanzul ummal and musnad ahmed i have serached both but to no avail does anyone have the reference for it? as in which chapter the hadith in? volume etc?
Quote from: Husain;341184

It isn't in Musnad Ahmed, only in Kanz al-Ummal.
There is no chain for the narration and all the signs of fabrication are clear on it.
Quote from: Abu Suliman;341247
What is Kanz al-Ummal is it a collection of hadeeth like other famous books? And are hadeeth in this book weaker then other books of hadeeth?
Quote from: Husain;341326

Kanz is a collection of ahadith without their chains, with references to books of hadith which mention chains for them.
A few ahadith are such that the author doesn't quote them from books mentioning their chains, instead he just mentions that they were found in so and so book.

This hadith is such an example.
Allamah Suyuti mentions that he found it in a collection of ahadith of al-Mustaghfiri, who heard this hadith from someone, but doesn't mention the chain.

As for the incorrect attribution to the Musnad of Imam Ahmed, it was due to the old copy of the Musnad having selections of Kanz printed in its margin.
So it seems that someone found the hadith in the margin and thought it is in the musnad, due to the copy of the book mentioning the musnad, when in reality it is from Kanz.

And as for the claim that we neeed to show which book of fabricated hadith mentioned this narration, it is the completely incorrect approach, based on ignorance of the field of hadith.

In order for someone to atttribute a saying to Nabi :saw: they are required to produce the chain for it. Until then, their attribution is worthless.
Those opposing them aren't required to prove it to be fabricated, rather those quoting it have to prove its authenticity.

To understand, if someone claimed that Nabi :saw: mentioned forums to be haram!
If we ask him for the proof, he could claim that it is mentioned in hadith, even though he doesn't have a chain for it and that if you oppose him, please show which book of fabricated ahadith classified it as a fabrication!

What would be a suitable reply to such an ignoramous?

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I asked about the status and authenticity of this narration from
Moulana Muhammad Abasoomar DB,
he replied me as follows :


In Kanzul ummal , vol 16 , hadith 44154 , there is a hadith quoted about a Bedioun asking many brief questions from Rasulullah (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam)

What is the status of this Hadith?



The full chain of narrators for this has not been mentioned therein.

According to one of my senior Hadith Teachers, the signs of fabrication are quite apparent on this narration.

One should therefore abstain from quoting this Hadith until the chain can be located and then verified.


Note: When a Muhaddith says: ‘The signs of fabrication are evident’ on a particular narration, he has not actually classified it as a fabrication. Rather, all it means is that one should take precautions because that particular narration could really be a lie on our beloved Rasul (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam). It’s always safer to err while on the path of caution…


The reason the Muhaddithun (Hadith Masters) say this, is because after studying a vast amount of fabricated Hadiths, they are able to highlight certain factors that are commonly found in such narrations.

Since the Hadith masters generally prefer the line of caution in instances like the above, one is therefore discouraged from quoting such narrations.



And Allah Ta’ala Knows best,


Answered by: Moulana Muhammad Abasoomar


Checked by: Moulana Haroon Abasoomar

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