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AishaZaynap

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How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« on: July 19, 2017, 12:28:58 PM »
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We were discussing with respected brother Hasan Journey on twitter and i want to know how it is possible to derieve full benefit without bayah? Same cure does not work for all. Everyone is different. If someone does not say about their condition then how will they be cured from their spiritual sicknesses along with how would they able to progress towards Allah Ta'ala? Jazakallahu Khayr
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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 12:57:52 PM »
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Im Köylü Güzeli from Twitter(im originally AishaZaynap)

We were discussing with respected brother Hasan Journey on twitter and i want to know how it is possible to derieve full benefit without bayah? Same cure does not work for all. Everyone is different. If someone does not say about their condition then how will they be cured from their spiritual sicknesses along with how would they able to progress towards Allah Ta'ala? Jazakallahu Khayr

Bismillahi Ta'ala,

Walaikum Assalam,

Alhamdulillah, I like this medium of discussion much better than limited characters of twitter.

Your primary question is whether complete full benefit can be attained without Bayah or not?
Answer : Yes and no.

Ba'yah is formal promise at the hand of the Sheikh
Suhbat awliyaa is keeping contact with the Mashayekh, and in tazkiya more so with one Sheikh.

The primary core benefits of tazkiya can be attained through spiritual mentor without a bayah. Remember that something which is even more important and significant than Bayah is Ta'lluq. Contact with the spiritual mentor.

Under normal circumstances (males) this is via meetings, messages, kitabat (writing), phone etc. The frequency of contact will make the mentor more informed of the condition of the saalik. Just as the case of any tabeeb or a doctor. For this contact it is not necessary that the saalik has a "nisbati/bayah" with the sheikh. He just needs to be well intuned of the sheikh and be continious in his contact.

The same ta'luq is slightly different for women. Since they cannot be in khalwah, they must have guardian's permission and accompany while the contact takes place. The husband, brother or father should always be informed of the happening of the correspondence. There is no need of privacy between a female saalik and the sheikh. If the husband is a cause of some issue, then another guardian/overseer must be present (although this will be very detrimental to the husband's relationship).

Nonethess, when the purpose is tazkiya of nafs, not many husband have problems. And as long as they are well aware of the correspondence, they help in the endeavour.

Coming back to our point of contention. With this ta'luq, most of the core tazkiya nafs can take place. Formal Bayah will not be necessary.

However, this should not reduce the significance of bayah as well. Imagine a Hadeeth scholar who has only taken asaneed (chains) of his hadeeth from books. There will be a major break between him and the link to Rasulullah salalahu alayhi wasallam. This poses strong disconnection of Nisbah in the field.

The same happens for Silsila in Sulook as well. If you have done your tazkiya, but have not received the spiritual connection through mashayekh, you will be void of immense spirituality of nisbah. Yes, just as any other uloom you wil cherish the rahma of Allah in your tazkiya, but the specific boons and bounties of spirituality through nisbah will be missing.

Bayah plays a significant role in tazkiya as well. A catalyst towards will and strength for lack of better word.

Zahid Hasan

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 10:17:06 PM »
Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

Mufti sahab, Glad to see you writing such a long post. This is a delicate topic which could explode like a bomb if this forum was sunniforum or muftisays. Anyway, you mentioned part of an ayah "Kuunu ma'as saadiqeen" in a tweet reply. Could you please elaborate this? Suhbah of Ahlullaah is such necessary we don't hold that significance in our mind. Jazakallaahu khayra.

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2017, 07:32:00 AM »
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Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

Mufti sahab, Glad to see you writing such a long post. This is a delicate topic which could explode like a bomb if this forum was sunniforum or muftisays. Anyway, you mentioned part of an ayah "Kuunu ma'as saadiqeen" in a tweet reply. Could you please elaborate this? Suhbah of Ahlullaah is such necessary we don't hold that significance in our mind. Jazakallaahu khayra.

Walaikum Assalam Warahmatullah,

Yes indeed. It is a direct command of Allah to attach oneself to the pious people. There are other ahadeeth which talk about the effect of the company and environment. A person sitting in a dump will not be able to retain focus simply because his environment will keep distracting him. Similarly, company of the pious, aside from the spiritual warmth has psychological effects.

Sulaha' and pious tend to opt for everything cautious, hence they are careful in their mannerism. When this starts to rub off onto the saalikeen, and tulabaa', the effects yield a somber, focused and strong individual. Conviction sets in. As they say in urdu, "Kharboozay ko dekh kar Kharbooza rang badalta hai" i.e. A melon looks at another to change its colour.

A person could be bay't with a sheikh for years, and yet not sit in company of him. He may not benefit from his bay't as much as a simple saalik who merely sits in the majlis of the Sheikh on frequent basis. He gets charged again and again from the aura around the sheikh. When Sahaba were envious of Sayiduna Abu Huraira r.a about knowing a hadeeth on every matter, Sayiduna Umar r.a would say to let him be, for he spent all his time in company of Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasallam, while we went to bazaars doing business.

Even if you are far from some ahl Allah, keep contact via any medium you can. You will actually feel the effect with every reponse from him. It will help strengthen and motivate your desire to stay upright even in the face of difficulties.

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 08:27:55 AM »
There is a malfuz of Hakeem ul Ummah ra I believe in Kamalaat e Ashrafiyya in which he stresses islahi taluq first before bayt. He says bayt is not child's play.

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 09:39:58 AM »
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There is a malfuz of Hakeem ul Ummah ra I believe in Kamalaat e Ashrafiyya in which he stresses islahi taluq first before bayt. He says bayt is not child's play.

Yes indeed. Ta'lluq takes effort from the side of the saalik. It highlights whether the talab and desire is genuine or not. Whether the willingness is coupled with following or mere desire.

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2017, 08:13:42 PM »
If we can see tafsir Maariful Quran for Surah Tawbah ayat 119 maybe we can get further info.

What is the meaning of "suhbah" and in this context especially?

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Re: How do we derieve full benefit without bayah
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2017, 07:41:34 AM »
Inshaallah I can contribute by sharing 9:119 here.

Suhbah in this context is: being in the company of the truthful and actively striving to emulate them (who in turn emulated the sadiqeen before them, going back to Rasulullah, sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) in order to achieve taqwa.

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